Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: Rixter to KnightMare on Wed Sep 18 2024 03:32 am

I worked at university data center in the 80s and we used the 80 punch cards for student data storage. It was loud and slow.

In my high school computer class, we took a break from Commodore CBM systems to work on a WANG computer feeding batch jobs on punch cards. When we asked why we had to do it, my teacher said "Trust me, you'll understand some day".

Now, I get to say "WHY YOU KIDS HAVE IT SO EASY - WHEN I STARTED OUT WE HAD TO FEED BATCHES OF CARDS INTO THE COMPUTER TO SEE YOUR PROGRAM OUTPUT!"
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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Rixter on Mon Dec 16 2024 08:23 pm

In my high school computer class, we took a break from Commodore CBM systems to work on a WANG computer feeding batch jobs on punch cards. When we asked why we had to do it, my teacher said "Trust me, you'll understand some day".

When I was in school, they had typing classes in jr. high and high school, and there was also a programming class in high school as an elective. I took the typing class in 8th grade, and in 9th grade, I took the programming class and was hoping it would be C or C++, but they were teaching BASIC. They were still using a book from the late 70s, and this was the mid-90s when I was taking the class..

Nightfox

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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Dec 17 2024 09:53 am

When I was in school, they had typing classes in jr. high and high school, and there was also a programming class in high school as an elective. I too

Looking back, the two classes I wish I took were typing and auto shop.

I'm a fast typist, but I'd be a helluva lot faster if I typed properly. I learned by hunt-n-peck, and just got better at it.

Auto shop? That was for the kids who weren't going to college!

They also got free time with floor jacks, lifts, engine hoists, pneumatic wrenches, oil drains, every wrench you could ever need, and specialty tools you could never afford to use once.

The kids in shop all had killer cars for a fraction of the cost of what it cost the other kids.
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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Tue Dec 17 2024 01:00 pm

Looking back, the two classes I wish I took were typing and auto shop.

I still benefit from taking typing in HS. That said, I'm sure you can learn using any of the online typing tutors today. The *main* thing is: don't look at the keyboard, no matter what. This'll slow you down at first, but in the end, you'll be a much faster typist, even with the inevitable mistakes.
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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Tue Dec 17 2024 01:00 pm

Looking back, the two classes I wish I took were typing and auto shop.

I don't remember auto shop being offered at my high school. I think it would have been useful, though I didn't get my driver's license or a car until I was 21.

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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: Digital Man to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Dec 17 2024 01:45 pm

I still benefit from taking typing in HS. That said, I'm sure you can learn using any of the online typing tutors today. The *main* thing is: don't look at the keyboard, no matter what. This'll slow you down at first, but in the end, you'll be a much faster typist, even with the inevitable mistakes.

Yeah, I still benefit from taking typing. I was surprised to learn not too long ago that typing class typically isn't offered anymore these days.

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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Rixter on Mon Dec 16 2024 20:23:03

In my high school computer class, we took a break from Commodore CBM systems to work on a WANG computer feeding batch jobs
on punch cards. When we asked why we had to do it, my teacher said "Trust me, you'll understand some day".

Now, I get to say "WHY YOU KIDS HAVE IT SO EASY - WHEN I STARTED OUT WE HAD TO FEED BATCHES OF CARDS INTO THE COMPUTER TO
SEE YOUR PROGRAM OUTPUT!"

I've heard that some universities still have "coding on paper" courses, classes and exams. I don't think it has a purpose other than filtering out students. I was lucky enough to see a real FORTRAN punch card (as a door note) and to type a little on VT100 hardware terminal.

However, I've heard a story from one of IT teachers about writing code on paper so it could be passed to an operator, who typed it into a machine and gave back the printed (literally) output. It was back when computers were uncommon at home and when there was no IBM PC yet. At least not here.

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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: Digital Man to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Dec 17 2024 01:45 pm

Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Tue Dec 17 2024 01:00 pm

Looking back, the two classes I wish I took were typing and auto shop.

I still benefit from taking typing in HS. That said, I'm sure you can

learn
using any of the online typing tutors today. The *main* thing is: don't look at the keyboard, no matter what. This'll slow you down at first, but in the end, you'll be a much faster typist, even with the inevitable mistakes.

I took typing in the 7th or 8th grade. It's probably one of the few things I can say i really benefitted from in school. for HS I only went for 2 years and I was in a program where I took "technical college" courses for hs credit. Well i guess I benefitted from that because I had some great history teachers over there.

Anyways, I learned on electric typewriters. It was a great way to get a rhythm. To pass the class you had to go 1 on one with the teacher and beat her which
was pretty fun.

I was about 120wpm. Now, I'm nowhere near that but I can ramp it up; my accuracy is what has suffered.

I tried to teach my son how to type and also got him those mavis beacon program. He never liked it and he's now a hunt and peck typist.
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I took typing in the 7th or 8th grade. It's probably one of the few

The most useful class I ever took was Typing 1a from Mrs. Jean Welch during my first semester in high school. I use what she taught me every single day.

Anyways, I learned on electric typewriters.

A room full of IBM Selectrics. Go old school or go home.

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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: Aaron Goldblatt to MRO on Thu Dec 19 2024 01:33 pm

The most useful class I ever took was Typing 1a from Mrs. Jean Welch during my first semester in high school. I use what she taught me every single day.

Anyways, I learned on electric typewriters.

A room full of IBM Selectrics. Go old school or go home.

Mine wasn't that old school. The typing class I took 8th grade in a classroom full of Mac Classics. My high school also offered a typing class, also in the Mac lab (they also had a section of IBM-compatible PCs in the same area).

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A room full of IBM Selectrics. Go old school or go home.

...

classroom full of Mac Classics.

My school had a like three SEs, one SE/30, and a single ][e in the physics teacher's room..

The newspaper staff raised thousands of dollars for Classics, but the principal stole the money to repaint lockers instead. But I'm not still bitter, over 30 years later. :-)

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Aaron Goldblatt wrote to Nightfox <=-

The newspaper staff raised thousands of dollars for Classics, but the principal stole the money to repaint lockers instead. But I'm not still bitter, over 30 years later. :-)

That sucks - what school paints lockers, anyways?

My locker in 1983 had a handful of old 1960s and 1970s stickers on the
inside, including one from a radio station whose call sign was "Earth
Rock" and the logo looked like a 60s guy with a huge 'fro. It felt like
a time machine to a kid who'd only been interested in music for a few
years.

Is it weird that I remember my high school locker number and combination
all these years later?




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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Aaron Goldblatt on Fri Dec 20 2024 10:00 am

Is it weird that I remember my high school locker number and combination all these years later?

Mine changed every year. And I almost forgot we even used lockers in middle/high school..

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Now, I get to say "WHY YOU KIDS HAVE IT SO EASY - WHEN I STARTED OUT WE HA EED BATCHES OF CARDS INTO THE COMPUTER TO SEE YOUR PROGRAM OUTPUT!"

it's no easy, considering that with modern tools and approach, single person can manage significantly larger code base, which is today's struggle.

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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: hollowone to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Dec 28 2024 11:38:00

Now, I get to say "WHY YOU KIDS HAVE IT SO EASY - WHEN I STARTED OUT WE HA EED BATCHES OF CARDS INTO THE COMPUTER TO SEE YOUR PROGRAM OUTPUT!"

it's no easy, considering that with modern tools and approach, single person can manage significantly larger code base, which is today's struggle.

The basics are much easier, but most people aren't satisfied with the basics anymore... expectations constantly increase over time.

It's the equivalent of comparing a pioneer who built their home 200 years ago to someone who builds a home today -- Each of them is relying on available tools and infrastructure, built by others, but someone today has much more sophisticated tools and capable infrastructure, so building the equivalent of a pioneer home might be a weekend effort, but the expectations for a home to live in are much higher.

For my day job I run a group responsible for my employers' main software product, which is fairly mature. Our job is to keep the product stable and moving forward with the goals the company sets. We're still within the "one person can understand it all" scope, but keeping that much in context (and pulling so many threads when you don't) is tricky. Not everyone recgonizes the implications of changes they make, tesing often doesn't catch everything (sometimes nothing!) and as a result I find it's hard enough to manage a handful of developers who are paid for their efforts, I can't imagine trying to wrangle hundreds/thousands of changes and additions from many contributors.

As another example, I look at what Rob has done here and I'm in absolute awe of how useful and successful Synchronet BBS and the related pieces are, they make it look easy to someone spinning up a new BBS, but the reality of making that happen is anything but easy.

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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: Digital Man to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Dec 17 2024 01:45 pm

Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Tue Dec 17 2024 01:00 pm

I still benefit from taking typing in HS. That said, I'm sure you can learn using any of the online typing tutors today. The *main* thing is: don't look at the keyboard, no matter what. This'll slow you down at first, but in the end, you'll be a much faster typist, even with the inevitable mistakes.

Yeah, I've been a fan of this method for a while, doesn't hurt that I started getting into artsy mechianical keebs.

https://amzn.to/3QokFgW

My newest keeb my boss bought for me as a thank you.

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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Dec 17 2024 05:30 pm

Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Tue Dec 17 2024 01:00 pm

Looking back, the two classes I wish I took were typing and auto shop.

I don't remember auto shop being offered at my high school. I think it would have been useful, though I didn't get my driver's license or a car until I was 21.

We had Autoshop, Woodworking, Home Economics (full kitchens, taught kids budgeting, cooking, cleaning... you know, stuff they'll use), Photography (B&W, complete with chemicals and dark room), not to mention a world renoun Jazz Band (They got to go to Japan and Monterey Jazz Fests often.) and a 2000+ seat theater.

Stuff I got to do:
3 years photography (love)
a year of auto (learned oil changes, tune ups, tire repair, and got to pull an engine out of a 83 Volvo).
3 years of trumpet (can still play, poorly)
Got to see about 10 different HS productions of various broadway shows.

Today they have NONE of that. What's replaced it? A new football field! Yeah, because that's what kids need, a one in a billion shot at "making it" and a 1:1,000 chance of getting a concussion. Go Team! All the facilities are still there, they just aren't used.

My daughter is going into HS next year (different school), they teach vocational stuff which I think is good (nursing, cooking, etc), but the lack of emphasis on arts, and stuff kids need to survive is lacking around here.

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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: Android8675 to Nightfox on Thu Feb 20 2025 09:15 am

Yeah, because that's what kids need, a one in a billion shot at "making it" and a 1:1,000 chance of getting a concussion. Go Team! All the facilities are still there, they just aren't used.

Sorry, way off topic... I'm on Ubuntu22 LTS. ;P

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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: Android8675 to Nightfox on Thu Feb 20 2025 09:15 am

We had Autoshop, Woodworking, Home Economics (full kitchens, taught kids budgeting, cooking, cleaning... you know, stuff they'll use), Photography (B&W, complete with chemicals and dark room), not to mention a world renoun Jazz Band (They got to go to Japan and Monterey Jazz Fests often.) and a 2000+ seat theater.

My middle school had woodworking & home economics, though I don't remember my high school having those classes. When I was in 8th grade, they put us in a sort of 'sampler' class where they had us take several different classes for 2-3 weeks at a time so we'd get an idea of what electives we'd want to take, and one of those was a woodworking class.. I had also taken a home economics class, and I remember that class teaching some cooking skills, and I remember having an assignment having to do with sewing.. I don't remember much else from that class. I still use the cooking skills, of course, though I think I learned a lot more about cooking from my dad, and just learning recipes and practicing cooking on my own.

Today they have NONE of that. What's replaced it? A new football field! Yeah, because that's what kids need, a one in a billion shot at "making it" and a 1:1,000 chance of getting a concussion. Go Team! All the facilities are still there, they just aren't used.

I find it odd how much focus they put on sports in school, including college..

Nightfox

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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: Android8675 to Digital Man on Thu Feb 20 2025 09:02 am

Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: Digital Man to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Dec 17 2024 01:45 pm

Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Tue Dec 17 2024 01:00 pm

I still benefit from taking typing in HS. That said, I'm sure you can learn using any of the online typing tutors today. The *main* thing is: don't look at the keyboard, no matter what. This'll slow you down at first, but in the end, you'll be a much faster typist, even with the inevitable mistakes.

Yeah, I've been a fan of this method for a while, doesn't hurt that I started getting into artsy mechianical keebs.

https://amzn.to/3QokFgW

never heard someone call it a keeb.

anyways, i like the reddragon brand. my old one broke because i spilled soda on it. this is the one i have now. very clicky.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07G11G2X8

i have to have volume control on my keyboards. I don't use macros. I also like having a lit keyboard.
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https://amzn.to/3QokFgW

My newest keeb my boss bought for me as a thank you.

Nice keyboard - nice boss!

I went the other way and bought a Logitech MX Master keyboard - it's
quiet, has a bit of tactile feel, and I can switch it between up to 3
different devices. I use it to switch between my home desktop and work
laptop in my home office.



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Android8675 wrote to Nightfox <=-

Stuff I got to do:
3 years photography (love)

I took a photo class at a local junior college after shooting film and
digital for 10 years, and loved it. There's something about the process
when you don't see the picture as soon as you shoot it, and you do all
the things you'd do in Photoshop in the dark room that makes pictures
more meaningful to me.

a year of auto (learned oil changes, tune ups, tire repair, and got to pull an engine out of a 83 Volvo).

Guys in my grade got to work on their own cars, and lots of them had old
70's muscle cars. They saved a TON of money and got a grade for it!

poorly) Got to see about 10 different HS productions of various
broadway shows.

Theater was big in my school, and it's big in my daughter's school -
we've seen some really impressive performances. The kids do all the
backstage work, too. I've been trying to steer her to theater since all
of my theater friends in high school ended up being the cool adults, and
are still close many years later.




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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: Android8675 to Digital Man on Thu Feb 20 2025 09:02 am

My newest keeb my boss bought for me as a thank you.

Man, I like mech keybs too, but that one is just way too pricey. In contrast, my daily driver keyboard was $21 total ($12 for the actual keyboard and $9 for some nicer caps). Don't get me wrong, I've spent over a hundred on ones for older computers, but nothing as high as that one :).

Were we on a topic of window managers? I've always liked super lightweight ones like fvwm2, windowmaker, blackbox/fluxbox, etc... but lately after they got rid of that horrible piece of garbage KDE and replaced it with that new Plasma desktop or whatever it's called, it's pretty nice! Would totally recommend Kubuntu to anyone that wants to play with Linux.

XFCE is NOT lightweight. It's barely lighter than Gnome 3.

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Hey phigan!

On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 05:29:04 -0700, you wrote:

Were we on a topic of window managers? I've always liked super
lightweight ones like fvwm2, windowmaker, blackbox/fluxbox, etc... but lately after they got rid of that horrible piece of garbage KDE and
replaced it with that new Plasma desktop or whatever it's called, it's pretty nice! Would totally recommend Kubuntu to anyone that wants to
play with Linux.

I've always been a fan of fluxbox, but pretty much got tired of spending hours making it look nice. Otherwise most other tiling WMs have always left something lacking for me. Maybe I'm just too needy. ;)

I agree on Plasma desktop. It's probably the smoothest desktop out there right now, but it probably doesn't bode too well on older hardware, as it's about as bloated as Windows.

XFCE is NOT lightweight. It's barely lighter than Gnome 3.

It definitely used to be, but they've added so much to it, and once you install most of the same things gnome relies on in order for things to work properly, that it can't really be considered 'lightweight' any more.

Regards,
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Were we on a topic of window managers? I've always liked super
lightweight ones like fvwm2, windowmaker, blackbox/fluxbox, etc... but lately after they got rid of that horrible piece of garbage KDE and replaced it with that new Plasma desktop or whatever it's called, it's pretty nice! Would totally recommend Kubuntu to anyone that wants to
play with Linux.

Ummmm.... Plasma is just the new KDE. It's still KDE.

XFCE is NOT lightweight. It's barely lighter than Gnome 3.

I'd consider XFCE to be a middleweight, with Gnome a heavyweight, and
KDE a oversize-unlimited-super-heavyweight.



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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: phigan to Android8675 on Sat Feb 22 2025 05:29 am

XFCE is NOT lightweight. It's barely lighter than Gnome 3.

It used to be talked about as lightweight (and Linux Mint with XFCE promoted it as a 'more lightweight' UI environment), but from Accession's comment about it, I can see how it could have become less lightweight.

Nightfox

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phigan wrote to Android8675 <=-

Were we on a topic of window managers? I've always liked super
lightweight ones like fvwm2, windowmaker, blackbox/fluxbox, etc... but lately after they got rid of that horrible piece of garbage KDE and replaced it with that new Plasma desktop or whatever it's called, it's pretty nice! Would totally recommend Kubuntu to anyone that wants to
play with Linux.

I started using Lubuntu on single-core Thinkpads and liked it. It could
install in 512mb of RAM, I usually ran it in 2GB. LXDE was a nice
environment and the apps were smaller/lighter than the usual - Sylpheed
for email instead of Thunderbird, for example. It felt like old school
Ubuntu with enough eye candy to keep me entertained.

I liked Crashbang/BunsenLabs as well, think they used Blackbox. They
still supported 32-bit CPUs without PAE, for some reason Thinkpads of
that time supported PAE but didn't report it.

They switched to LXQT a while back, haven't used it since.



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My newest keeb my boss bought for me as a thank you.

Man, I like mech keybs too, but that one is just way too pricey. In contrast, my daily driver keyboard was $21 total ($12 for the actual keyboard and $9 for some nicer caps). Don't get me wrong, I've spent
over a hundred on ones for older computers, but nothing as high as that one :).

I recently bought a used cheapy 67% mech keyboard and its been my favorite computer upgrade in a LONG time. I love it...

I think I'm gonna go down the rabbit-hole as I prefer having F-keys; a 75% layout looks perfect to me. You don't have to spend $200+ anymore to get a really great mech keyboard, but I'm interested in something a little more premium to get away from the all plastic housing.

Buying used was neat in my experience, too, because the guy put a cool set of caps on AND had re-greased the keys and showed me how/told me a bit about how to spruce up even the cheaper modular keyboard hardware.



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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: paulie420 to phigan on Sat Feb 22 2025 09:33 am

I recently bought a used cheapy 67% mech keyboard and its been my favorite computer upgrade in a LONG time. I love it...

I swear by my Logitech MX Master because I need to switch between my work and home PC. If that changes, I'm going to go so far down the mechanical keyboard rabbithole, so hard.

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I recently bought a used cheapy 67% mech keyboard and its been my favor computer upgrade in a LONG time. I love it...

I swear by my Logitech MX Master because I need to switch between my
work and home PC. If that changes, I'm going to go so far down the mechanical keyboard rabbithole, so hard.

... most of the mechanical keyboards [All brands] use the same mainboard/setup - most have wired, USB dongle and bluetooth. The bluetooth can be paired to three devices and can be switched with a Fn+Q/W/E.



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I swear by my Logitech MX Master because I need to switch between my work and

>me PC. If that changes, I'm going to go so far down the mechanical keyboard r
>ithole, so hard.

I know this has nothing to do with the newer super keyboards you guys
have been talking about but, just as a curiosity, the Maxiswitch keyboard
I am using to write this I have used since about 2 years after it was manufactured - in June of 1991. They don't build them like that anymore. B)

I do have a gaming keyboard with all the flashy lights and supposedly
good for zillions of keystrokes, but I'm so used to this one I will
keep using it until it finally dies..

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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: Nightfox to Android8675 on Thu Feb 20 2025 10:12 am

Today they have NONE of that. What's replaced it? A new football field! Yeah, because that's what kids need, a one in a billion shot at "making it" and a 1:1,000 chance of getting a concussion. Go Team! All the facilities are still there, they just aren't used.

I find it odd how much focus they put on sports in school, including college..

It's where the money is. Old money are a buncha dying codgers who could care less about the future. Honestly... it's sad. Used to be there was football and there were other things for kids to do. Now there's Internet.

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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: MRO to Android8675 on Thu Feb 20 2025 01:13 pm

anyways, i like the reddragon brand. my old one broke because i spilled soda on it. this is the one i have now. very clicky.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07G11G2X8

i have to have volume control on my keyboards. I don't use macros. I also like having a lit keyboard.

Red Dragons are great starters. When you get into the stuff at Drop.com where you can buy a sample set of different switches, pick the ones you like, get a set of high quality keycaps, buy a barebones all aluminum base keyboard with quick swap key sockets (no soldering needed) and a cool coiled usb cable.

Sit back and realize you just spent more money on a "keeb" than your entire piece of shit Dell Inspiron... then you'll know you have an issue.

Just having a base made of aluminum is pretty cool. This keeb could take out a would be attacker, no problem.

-A.

I'm looking at a mechanical keyboard for my Atari 800 at the moment.

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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: phigan to Android8675 on Sat Feb 22 2025 05:29 am

My newest keeb my boss bought for me as a thank you.

Man, I like mech keybs too, but that one is just way too pricey. In contrast, my daily driver keyboard was $21 total ($12 for the actual keyboard and $9 for some nicer caps). Don't get me wrong, I've spent over a hundred on ones for older computers, but nothing as high as that one :).

Read my previous post, this one I got because it was cheap. (got it on sale so it wasn't at whatever price you saw, gotta know where and when to buy these things)

I can't use cheap keyboards anymore. those flat chicklet dell keyboards that cost nothing cause my carpal to flare up. Probably the reason I have bad wrists is because I didn't own a decent keeb until a while ago.

If money was no object I could easily spend $500 on one keyboard and be thrilled as punch. I'd have to have a system to match though, so that'll never happen. I can't cheap out on something I spend so many hours a day using.

Were we on a topic of window managers? I've always liked super lightweight ones like fvwm2, windowmaker, blackbox/fluxbox, etc... but lately after they

I never understood windowsmanagers, I typically just use whatever the distro comes with, but I only have one Linux install at the moment and it's running headless, so... When I remote in I think it's running... geez I have no idea. /shame.

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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Android8675 on Fri Feb 21 2025 07:58 am

Stuff I got to do:
3 years photography (love)

I took a photo class at a local junior college after shooting film and digital for 10 years, and loved it. There's something about the process
when you don't see the picture as soon as you shoot it, and you do all
the things you'd do in Photoshop in the dark room that makes pictures
more meaningful to me.

Cabrillo? I did photography there, my teacher had spent time with Ansel Adams and while a wealth of knowledge, he wasn't the best teacher. Made me feel bad because I didn't have the best artistic vision. Whatever, got to use a dark room. :)

Theater was big in my school, and it's big in my daughter's school -
we've seen some really impressive performances. The kids do all the backstage work, too. I've been trying to steer her to theater since all
of my theater friends in high school ended up being the cool adults, and
are still close many years later.

Good daddy! I still see the theater geeks around the Internet from time to time, still being creative or awesome.

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Android8675 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Cabrillo? I did photography there, my teacher had spent time with Ansel Adams and while a wealth of knowledge, he wasn't the best teacher. Made
me feel bad because I didn't have the best artistic vision. Whatever,
got to use a dark room. :)

Laney College, in Oakland, probably around 2002 or so. The teacher was
adamant that one assignment was crucial, and you would flunk if you
failed to turn it in. He re-iterated "If you don't turn in this
assignment, you can take this class over again. If you turn it in, you can't..."

I think the class was $35 a semester, plus chemistry. You could get into
the dark room any time they had an open bay, and the teacher sold
expired Tri-X he had in his freezer for $1.25 a roll.




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Android8675 wrote to phigan <=-

I can't use cheap keyboards anymore. those flat chicklet dell keyboards that cost nothing cause my carpal to flare up. Probably the reason I
have bad wrists is because I didn't own a decent keeb until a while
ago.

I still want to find a Focus 2001 keyboard. I miss the clicky but
non-effort keyboards from the '90s. I think they were ALPS key switches
back then. They have the old AT connector, so I'd need to figure some
way to get to USB.

I did some googling around and found this, in black with USB!

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/xtneip/if_you_know_you_know_black_focus_fk2001/

I did all of my BBSing in the 90s with one of these or a Model M.

If money was no object I could easily spend $500 on one keyboard and be thrilled as punch. I'd have to have a system to match though, so
that'll never happen. I can't cheap out on something I spend so many
hours a day using.

I started splurging on keyboards, monitors and mice at work - those are relatively cheap and they're what people's impressions of PCs are mostly
based on. Although, I haven't seen a desktop PC in any of my company's offices... All laptops.


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Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: Android8675 to MRO on Fri Feb 28 2025 07:59 am

I'm looking at a mechanical keyboard for my Atari 800 at the moment.

There's one that is I think open source and at least one person has put a few together. If you haven't found one yet, talk to Divarin on Mutiny:Community BBS at mutinybbs.com:2300. He can tell you how he put several together to keep costs down (sold a few).

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