Re: Re: people with autism
By: Mike Powell to Mortar on Tue May 12 2026 07:08 pm

I have seen $10-11 12-pack soft drinks here. That has been the going rate at Kroger now for at least 2 years. :( At Walmart they've been $7-8 per 12-pack for a while, unless you are buying the house brand.

Some grocery prices are getting crazy high. I'm surprised they're selling soda 12-packs for that much. Kroger owns some grocery stores in my area (which were formerly local chains) and that sounds a bit right - And they're one of the more expensive grocery stores for some things. They also have their own store-brand sodas which tend to be a lot cheaper (I bought a 12-pack of Diet Dr. K from them for $4.50 not too long ago, but the price may have gone up since then). If I buy soda, I've been buying house brand lately since it tends to be significantly less expensive (what name-brand soda used to cost). Sometimes I'll buy some soda from Costco because I think it's fairly good for the price.

Soda isn't a basic necessity, and I find it hard to justify spending $10 for a 12-pack of soda..

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Re: Prices
By: Nightfox to Mike Powell on Tue May 12 2026 10:24:45

Soda isn't a basic necessity, and I find it hard to justify spending $10 for a 12-pack of soda..

I never buy "packs", I stick to 2-litre bottles. Much more economical. If I want to carry pop with me, I'll use a 20-ounce bottle I got from a vending machine and fill that up from the 2-litre. You can get three 20-ouncers with change left over.

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Re: Prices
By: Mortar to All on Tue May 12 2026 01:18 pm

Re: Prices
By: Nightfox to Mike Powell on Tue May 12 2026 10:24:45

Soda isn't a basic necessity, and I find it hard to justify spending
$10 for a 12-pack of soda..

I never buy "packs", I stick to 2-litre bottles. Much more
economical. If I want to carry pop with me, I'll use a 20-ounce
bottle I got from a vending machine and fill that up from the
2-litre. You can get three 20-ouncers with change left over.

over by me it's cheaper to buy the cans instead of the bottles of SODA.
there are deals sometimes for the six packs, but not often.


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Re: Re: people with autism
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Mike Powell on Wed May 13 2026 06:52:38

...I'd look at my local grocery stores, and they'd have lots of Coke, Cherry coke, Vanilla Coke, caffeine free coke, and an empty space where all of the Diet Coke used to be.

How's that for irony. What once was avoided by most because of taste, becomes the item of choice because of price.

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Some grocery prices are getting crazy high. I'm surprised they're selling soda
12-packs for that much. Kroger owns some grocery stores in my area (which were
formerly local chains) and that sounds a bit right - And they're one of the more expensive grocery stores for some things. They also have their own store-brand sodas which tend to be a lot cheaper (I bought a 12-pack of Diet Dr. K from them for $4.50 not too long ago, but the price may have gone up since then). If I buy soda, I've been buying house brand lately since it tends
to be significantly less expensive (what name-brand soda used to cost). Sometimes I'll buy some soda from Costco because I think it's fairly good for
the price.

For me locally, the more reasonable source would be Walmart or, possibly, Save-A-Lot. I don't go there often because they don't stock a lot of things and their produce is usually too close-dated.

Soda isn't a basic necessity, and I find it hard to justify spending $10 for a
12-pack of soda..

That was the example being discussed. Other items have doubled in price, too, and unlike promised, they've not gone down at all since Biden left office. The only exception here locally is gasoline, which did go back well down before recently going back up higher than when Biden left office.


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Re: Prices
By: Nightfox to Mike Powell on Tue May 12 2026 10:24 am

I have seen $10-11 12-pack soft drinks here. That has been the going
rate at Kroger now for at least 2 years. :( At Walmart they've been
$7-8 per 12-pack for a while, unless you are buying the house brand.

Some grocery prices are getting crazy high. I'm surprised they're selling soda 12-packs for that much. Kroger owns some grocery stores in my area (which were formerly local chains) and that sounds a bit right - And they're one of the more expensive grocery stores for some things. They also have their own store-brand sodas which tend to be a lot cheaper (I

Just snaged myself a 24 pack of 12 oz Coke from Smiths (Kroger) for 10.99
I don't buy soda to often but I do like a coke now and then.

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Re: Pop Goes the Prices
By: Mortar to All on Wed May 13 2026 11:07 am

Re: Re: people with autism
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Mike Powell on Wed May 13 2026 06:52:38

...I'd look at my local grocery stores, and they'd have lots of Coke, Cherry coke, Vanilla Coke, caffeine free coke, and an empty space
where all of the Diet Coke used to be.

How's that for irony. What once was avoided by most because of
taste, becomes the item of choice because of price.

i'd rather have diet soda. regular soda has a pound of sugar in it.


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Re: Prices
By: Denn to Nightfox on Wed May 13 2026 11:31 am

Just snaged myself a 24 pack of 12 oz Coke from Smiths (Kroger) for 10.99 I don't buy soda to often but I do like a coke now and then.

That's a pretty good price.

Generally I'd prefer Pepsi; I don't really like Coke that much.

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Re: Prices
By: Nightfox to Denn on Wed May 13 2026 12:57 pm

Generally I'd prefer Pepsi; I don't really like Coke that much.

Same here. My wife and I both drink Pepsi. No Coke here...

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Re: Prices
By: Bf2k+ to Nightfox on Thu May 14 2026 05:32:17

Generally I'd prefer Pepsi; I don't really like Coke that much.

Same here. My wife and I both drink Pepsi. No Coke here...

Not into Pepsi. I do the Dew (a Pepsi product).

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Mortar wrote to All <=-

How's that for irony. What once was avoided by most because of taste, becomes the item of choice because of price.

I thought about that when I ordered a diet coke at a restaurant. It
came with a lemon wedge. Partly, I'm sure, to make refills easier, but
I'm old enough to remember saccharrin sweetened drinks and how off they
tasted. The lemon was to mask the off-ness.

I'll just stick to a Fresca.



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Re: Prices
By: Bf2k+ to Nightfox on Thu May 14 2026 05:32 am

Generally I'd prefer Pepsi; I don't really like Coke that much.

Same here. My wife and I both drink Pepsi. No Coke here...

I'm the opposite, Coke is my favorite, really don't care for pepsi.

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Re: Re: Pop Goes the Prices
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Mortar on Thu May 14 2026 08:03 am

I thought about that when I ordered a diet coke at a restaurant. It came with a lemon wedge. Partly, I'm sure, to make refills easier, but I'm old enough to remember saccharrin sweetened drinks and how off they tasted. The lemon was to mask the off-ness.

I'll just stick to a Fresca.

They still make fresca?

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Re: Prices
By: Bf2k+ to Nightfox on Thu May 14 2026 05:32 am

Generally I'd prefer Pepsi; I don't really like Coke that much.

Same here. My wife and I both drink Pepsi. No Coke here...

My wife likes Diet Coke, so we joke around with each other about that. I also like Miracle Whip, and she doesn't.. :P

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Re: Prices
By: Nightfox to Bf2k+ on Thu May 14 2026 02:06 pm

My wife likes Diet Coke, so we joke around with each other about that. I also like Miracle Whip, and she doesn't.. :P

My wife likes Miracle Whip, and I like Mayo, miracle Whip is ok for some thinks,
but Mayo is for sandwiches.

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Re: Re: Pop Goes the Prices
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Mortar on Thu May 14 2026 08:03 am

I thought about that when I ordered a diet coke at a restaurant.
It came with a lemon wedge. Partly, I'm sure, to make refills
easier, but I'm old enough to remember saccharrin sweetened drinks
and how off they tasted. The lemon was to mask the off-ness.

isnt that lemon wedge just something restaurants do?

there are many drinks that still use saccharin.


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Denn wrote to Nightfox <=-

My wife likes Miracle Whip, and I like Mayo, miracle Whip is ok for
some thinks, but Mayo is for sandwiches.

Does she pronounce it "Hwip"?



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Re: Prices
By: Denn to Nightfox on Thu May 14 2026 10:45 pm

My wife likes Diet Coke, so we joke around with each other about that. I
also like Miracle Whip, and she doesn't.. :P

My wife likes Miracle Whip, and I like Mayo, miracle Whip is ok for some thinks,
but Mayo is for sandwiches.

I like both. Generally I like mayo for sandwiches, but sometimes I use Miracle Whip for making tuna salad (usually mayo though).

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Re: Re: Prices
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Denn on Fri May 15 2026 07:53 am

My wife likes Miracle Whip, and I like Mayo, miracle Whip is ok for some
thinks, but Mayo is for sandwiches.

Does she pronounce it "Hwip"?

I'll tell you hwat..

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Re: Prices
By: Denn to Nightfox on Thu May 14 2026 10:45 pm

My wife likes Diet Coke, so we joke around with each other about that. I
also like Miracle Whip, and she doesn't.. :P

My wife likes Miracle Whip, and I like Mayo, miracle Whip is ok for some thinks,
but Mayo is for sandwiches.

I like both. Generally I like mayo for sandwiches, but sometimes I use Miracle Whip for making tuna salad (usually mayo though).

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Miracle Whip is Mayo. They just add some vegetable oil to add some creaminess to it and a bit more sugar. I prefer Duke's mayo, no added sugar, but have a few recipes that only work right with Miracle Whip.


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Re: Prices
By: Nightfox to Bf2k+ on Thu May 14 2026 14:06:35

I also like Miracle Whip, and she doesn't.. :P

I often have MW sandwitches. Yum.

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Re: Prices
By: Denn to Nightfox on Thu May 14 2026 10:45 pm

My wife likes Miracle Whip, and I like Mayo, miracle Whip is ok for some
but Mayo is for sandwiches.

What's tuna salad like if you use Miracle Whip instead of mayo?

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Re: Prices
By: Nightfox to Bf2k+ on Thu May 14 2026 02:06 pm

My wife likes Diet Coke, so we joke around with each other about that. I also like Miracle Whip, and she doesn't.. :P

My wife likes Miracle Whip, and I like Mayo, miracle Whip is ok for
some thinks, but Mayo is for sandwiches.

The only thing Miracle Whip is OK for is the nearest dumpster.



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I like both. Generally I like mayo for sandwiches, but sometimes I use Miracle Whip for making tuna salad (usually mayo though).

I would love to try some flavored mayo, spicy mayo!

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Re: Prices
By: Denn to Nightfox on Thu May 14 2026 10:45 pm

My wife likes Miracle Whip, and I like Mayo, miracle Whip is ok for some
but Mayo is for sandwiches.

What's tuna salad like if you use Miracle Whip instead of mayo?

It's like anything else that uses Miracle Whip.

Garbage.



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Re: Prices
By: phigan to Denn on Sat May 16 2026 07:12 pm

My wife likes Miracle Whip, and I like Mayo, miracle Whip is ok for some
but Mayo is for sandwiches.

What's tuna salad like if you use Miracle Whip instead of mayo?

It has a bit more flavor.

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Re: Prices
By: phigan to Denn on Sat May 16 2026 07:12 pm

My wife likes Miracle Whip, and I like Mayo, miracle Whip is ok for some
but Mayo is for sandwiches.

What's tuna salad like if you use Miracle Whip instead of mayo?

My wife makes tuna salad half MW half mayo, It's not to bad that way, I don't hate miracle whip, I just prefere hellmans mayo.

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Re: Prices
By: Matthew Munson to NIGHTFOX on Sat May 16 2026 11:40 am

I would love to try some flavored mayo, spicy mayo!

Just add sriracha :)

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Re: Prices
By: Nightfox to phigan on Sun May 17 2026 05:30 pm

It has a bit more flavor.

Interesting. I would've thought less. Now def curious, for no real reason.

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Re: Re: Prices
By: Mike Powell to Nightfox on Wed May 13 2026 06:57 pm

That was the example being discussed. Other items have doubled in price, too, and unlike promised, they've not gone down at all since Biden left office. The only exception here locally is gasoline, which did go back well down before recently going back up higher than when Biden left office.

This reminds me of a discussion I had with friends regarding the costs of videogames as a hobby.

Every gaming hardware manufacturer started driving prices up like crazy citing "evolving market conditions", tariffs and RAM prices. The issue is prices went up and when the circumpstances that supposedly lead to the increases disappeared, they never normalized down again.

This concept is known as "price stickyness" and the gist of it is that when Nintendo finds out you are willing to pay 500 dollar for their new toy, they are not going to bill you less unless there is a lot of presure to do so.

Also, fiat currencies these days are being dragged through the mud by banks, reserves and governments so there is no wonder companies won't sell you anything in exchange of worthless paper, unless it is a lot of worthless paper. You could buy a house today for the same amount of gold you would have needed in ancient Rome, but around here you need 60% more worthless paper than 10 years ago.




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Hi Phigan,
In a message to Denn you wrote:

What's tuna salad like if you use Miracle Whip instead of mayo?

I know you didn't ask me... tuna salad with MW instead of mayo is
too sweet. Makes it taste... funny to me.



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Re: Prices
By: phigan to Denn on Sat May 16 2026 19:12:05

What's tuna salad like if you use Miracle Whip instead of mayo?

Better, IMO.

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Re: Re: Prices
By: Arelor to Mike Powell on Mon May 18 2026 05:14:39

Every gaming hardware manufacturer started driving prices up like crazy citing "evolving market conditions", tariffs and RAM prices. The issue is prices went up and when the circumpstances that supposedly lead to the increases disappeared, they never normalized down again.

But they didn't dissapear. Both tariff and RAM prices are still up there.

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Re: Prices
By: Tiny to Phigan on Mon May 18 2026 05:42 am

I know you didn't ask me... tuna salad with MW instead of mayo is
too sweet. Makes it taste... funny to me.

That's exactly whqt I was imagining.

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Matthew Munson wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-

I would love to try some flavored mayo, spicy mayo!

I have a squirt bottle of siracha mayo... y0m!



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Tiny wrote to Phigan <=-

I know you didn't ask me... tuna salad with MW instead of mayo is
too sweet. Makes it taste... funny to me.

Agreed - it tastes like those packaged tuna sandwiches you see at gas
stations and think "It's been a long time since I've had food
poisoning, I think I'll treat myself..."



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Mortar wrote to Arelor <=-

But they didn't dissapear. Both tariff and RAM prices are still up
there.

Prices never go all the way down. It's a slow climb with
profit-building peaks.



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Hi Poindexter,
On <Fri, 21 May 26>, you wrote me:

Agreed - it tastes like those packaged tuna sandwiches you see at
stations and think "It's been a long time since I've had food
poisoning, I think I'll treat myself..."

Laugh. I've had good luck with gas station sandwich, but gas station
sushi...

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Re: Re: Prices
By: Tiny to Poindexter Fortran on Fri May 22 2026 05:16 am

Hi Poindexter,
On <Fri, 21 May 26>, you wrote me:

Agreed - it tastes like those packaged tuna sandwiches you see at stations and think "It's been a long time since I've had food poisoning, I think I'll treat myself..."

Laugh. I've had good luck with gas station sandwich, but gas station sushi...

in midwest usa gas stations are taking over everything. people grocery shop there. they eat there 2x a day.

i had gas station sushi. it wasnt good but i didnt get sick. the rice was very dense and chewy. it wasnt great but it wasnt FOUL.


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Hi Mro,
On <Sun, 23 May 26>, you wrote me:

in midwest usa gas stations are taking over everything. people grocery
shop there. they eat there 2x a day.

Why?

i had gas station sushi. it wasnt good but i didnt get sick. the rice
was very dense and chewy. it wasnt great but it wasnt FOUL.

Well sounds like it's not the same thing that we were talking about.
Obviously a place that is a huge complex is different from the small
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in midwest usa gas stations are taking over everything. people grocery shop there. they eat there 2x a day.

i had gas station sushi. it wasnt good but i didnt get sick. the rice was very dense and chewy. it wasnt great but it wasnt FOUL.

Buckee's? ;)


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Re: Re: Prices
By: Tiny to Mro on Sat May 23 2026 05:51 am

Hi Mro,
On <Sun, 23 May 26>, you wrote me:

in midwest usa gas stations are taking over everything. people
grocery shop there. they eat there 2x a day.

Why?

food deserts(like no good place to get groceries) combined with a company focused on making these giant gas stations successful.

Well sounds like it's not the same thing that we were talking about. Obviously a place that is a huge complex is different from the small
gas station we were making fun of.

yeah i wouldn't go to a bodega or whatever for sushi.


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Re: Re: Prices
By: Mike Powell to MRO on Sat May 23 2026 08:07 pm

in midwest usa gas stations are taking over everything.
people grocery shop there. they eat there 2x a day.

i had gas station sushi. it wasnt good but i didnt get sick. the rice
was very dense and chewy. it wasnt great but it wasnt FOUL.

Buckee's? ;)

no we don't have those yet but they are getting here.


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Tiny wrote to Mro <=-

Well sounds like it's not the same thing that we were talking about. Obviously a place that is a huge complex is different from the small
gas station we were making fun of.

I'm always amused by the truck stops along some of the interstate
freeways in the US. There's one on the road between San Francisco/San
Jose and Los Angeles that has a massive store, with a whole CB radio
department, trucker amphetamines and other sketchy pills, a couple of
restaurants and a hilarious selection of gifts for the lady back home -
cheesy lingerie, cheap champagne and plastic-wrapped cheap roses...



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Re: Re: Prices
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Tiny on Sun May 24 2026 09:08 am

I'm always amused by the truck stops along some of the interstate freeways in the US. There's one on the road between San Francisco/San Jose and Los Angeles that has a massive store, with a whole CB radio department, trucker amphetamines and other sketchy pills, a couple of restaurants and a hilarious selection of gifts for the lady back home - cheesy lingerie, cheap champagne and plastic-wrapped cheap roses...

We have one of those type Gas stations between Salt Lake City and Tooele Utah, Called T&A Truckstop, they have Truck ad on's, a full line of CB radios and antena's, Clothing and much more.
And there's a Flying J Truckstop close by that.
It seems like most of the trucker traffic goes to T&A rather than flying J.

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On Sun May 24 09:08:00 2026, POINDEXTER FORTRAN wrote to TINY <=-

I'm always amused by the truck stops along some of the interstate
freeways in the US. There's one on the road between San Francisco/San
Jose and Los Angeles that has a massive store, with a whole CB radio
department, trucker amphetamines and other sketchy pills, a couple of
restaurants and a hilarious selection of gifts for the lady back home -
cheesy lingerie, cheap champagne and plastic-wrapped cheap roses...

You mean the one in Ketterman City?

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Re: Re: Prices
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Tiny on Sun May 24 2026 09:08 am

Tiny wrote to Mro <=-

Well sounds like it's not the same thing that we were talking about. Obviously a place that is a huge complex is different from the small gas station we were making fun of.

I'm always amused by the truck stops along some of the interstate
freeways in the US. There's one on the road between San Francisco/San
Jose and Los Angeles that has a massive store, with a whole CB radio department, trucker amphetamines and other sketchy pills, a couple
of restaurants and a hilarious selection of gifts for the lady back
home - cheesy lingerie, cheap champagne and plastic-wrapped
cheap roses...

that must be a california thing. I used to travel to the east coast every year and i never saw anything bad. Truck stops are actually pretty awesome.

if they sold trucker amphetamines and 'other sketchy pills' they would be
shut down and no more big money for the owners.

When is the last time you were in a truck stop? They dont have anything cheap there. truckers have good money.


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Denn wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Tooele Utah, Called T&A Truckstop, they have Truck ad on's, a full
Line of CB radios and antena's, Clothing and much more.

I wonder if truckers still use CB? I do trips along I-80 in California
often, don't see as many antennas on trucks anymore. The broadcast
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Matthew Munson wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

You mean the one in Ketterman City?

You know, that might be. I kept thinking it was in King City, but
there's not a big enough truck stop as I remembered. I ran into it in
1995 coming back from Mt. Whitney. My first hike as an adult, up the
highest mountain in California.



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Re: Re: Prices
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Denn on Mon May 25 2026 08:05 am

Tooele Utah, Called T&A Truckstop, they have Truck ad on's, a full Line
of CB radios and antena's, Clothing and much more.

I wonder if truckers still use CB? I do trips along I-80 in California often, don't see as many antennas on trucks anymore. The broadcast nature of CB seems perfect for trucking.

Hmmm, I'm sure many old timers probably still use CB's, the younger drivers might not, IDK Now I'm going to start looking at semi's closer to see if they have CB antena's.
I had a Cobra 29 SSB until the late 90's, Haven't even thought much about CB's since then.

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On 25 May 2026, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

Denn wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Tooele Utah, Called T&A Truckstop, they have Truck ad on's, a full Line of CB radios and antena's, Clothing and much more.

I wonder if truckers still use CB? I do trips along I-80 in California
often, don't see as many antennas on trucks anymore. The broadcast
nature of CB seems perfect for trucking.

last i was on there consistently was 2017 maybe? had a massive CB antenna on the roof of my house and a decent setup in my car..

especially in the winter time people will start calling out "break check at exit __" (traffic is backed up) .. or announce "you're going to want to be in the left lane" or whatever. or tell you where cops are.

at night time there were a few old folks that would get on there all drunk and talk about random shit. complain about the internet and cellphones and facebook.

the utility aspect was kind of neat but using it for chats .. not great.

i bet it'd be kinda fun nowadays though with the right group of people.. majority of those old timers wouldn't have radios with FM.. could have a
little neighborhood setup with a group of friends that's at least relatively obscure.

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