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  • Re: race

    From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Monday, June 02, 2025 08:55:00
    I've seen a lot of posts online where people say they think people from the US
    shouldn't say that - Mainly because the people saying that were born & grew up
    in the US and have never actually been to the places they say they identify with.

    I look at it as something folks should be somewhat proud of, and that they shouldn't stop doing it. I think the folks that want them to stop are
    trying to make us all "the same" and boring. ;)

    Pesonally I'm a mix, mostly of several different European countries, and a small amount of Native American. I think it makes the most sense for me to sa
    I'm American, as even if I count my heritage, I couldn't say just one country.

    I am enough of a mix that I can relate to that -- being "American."
    Sometimes I will say "Welsh" but that is usually just to be difficult. ;)

    I'm not entirely sure how that's better.. It sounds like it's for the argumen
    of tracking people, and I feel like that's very Orwellian from the book '1984'

    +1.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dumas Walker on Monday, June 02, 2025 12:36:18
    Re: Re: race
    By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Mon Jun 02 2025 08:55 am

    I've seen a lot of posts online where people say they think people from the
    US
    shouldn't say that - Mainly because the people saying that were born & grew
    up
    in the US and have never actually been to the places they say they identify
    with.

    I look at it as something folks should be somewhat proud of, and that they shouldn't stop doing it. I think the folks that want them to stop are trying to make us all "the same" and boring. ;)

    I think the argument is mainly that it's not quite accurate. It's fine to say your heritage is Italian, you're of Irish descent, etc., but it's not really accurate to say you're Italian if you were born & grew up in the US.

    Nightfox

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Nightfox on Tuesday, June 03, 2025 12:04:23
    Re: Re: race
    By: Nightfox to Dumas Walker on Mon Jun 02 2025 12:36 pm

    I think the argument is mainly that it's not quite accurate. It's fine to say your heritage is Italian, you're of Irish descent, etc., but it's not really accurate to say you're Italian if you were born & grew up in the US.

    Nightfox

    It is a technicism, really.

    I mean, people identifies as all sorts of random stuff and we entertain their ideas. I am willing to accept that a guy who eats snails and garlic and crepees and holds typical French values is more French than a "technically correct" frenchman who doesn't.

    That also works in reverse - it is hard to accept somebody as French if he advocates for genital mutilation, hanging homosexuals, and banning pork, even if he happens to technically have the nationality, because those are not values you associate with Frenchmanness.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Tuesday, June 03, 2025 09:59:00
    I look at it as something folks should be somewhat proud of, and that they
    shouldn't stop doing it. I think the folks that want them to stop are trying to make us all "the same" and boring. ;)

    I think the argument is mainly that it's not quite accurate. It's fine to say
    your heritage is Italian, you're of Irish descent, etc., but it's not really accurate to say you're Italian if you were born & grew up in the US.

    I look at it as it depends on how many generations back, and whether or not
    the home you grew up in was still run with a lot of influence from "the old country" in question.

    If you were raised like most American kids, it is probably inaccurate. It would be inaccurate for me to claim anything but American. OTOH, if I grew
    up, say, with parents or grandparents that were immigrants from Italy, and
    they still kept a lot of the old customs, the fact that I was born here
    might not make is so inaccurate.


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